I used the drug one time and that was it. There needs to be far more discipline in that area but it will help to mitigate your issue. I am also afraid that it will prevent me from getting secret or top secret clearance, and if I lie they'll find out and discharge me. The issues you discussed are not unusual and would probably be cleared (mitigated ) as part of the normal process — except if you lie on the SCA and especially to the investigator. I had adhd as a kid but I stopped taking meds for it almost 5 years ago. i went through meps last week and passed the physical but i lied about two things. DO NOT LIE on your SF86!!!! Ok, so before I went to MEPS, my recruiter told me that they don't know what you don't tell them. And also a expunged ticket and felony charges. If you are going for a TOP secret clearance a full background investigation will be done. Now if you are going for a Top Secret, you have to go all the way back to your birth; your' parents and siblings backgrounds as well.. etc. You need to come clean as soon as the opportunity arises. What will they ask? With the debt levels thing, do they keep checking your credit report over and over until you receive your clearance or is it just the one time at MEPS? Hello Marines, I have a bit of a problem. Not only is lying on the SCA (SF86) a crime - you also have fraudulent enlistment issues going on here. I want to join the Marine Corps, and join embassy duty. You might still have a problem but it’s no bigger than the problem you have now. It does not matter that the recruiter “told” you to lie. I went to MEPS and lied about the fact that I had seen a psychologist. Once granted, your clearance could be revoked if the military later discovers you lied when filling out the forms. Lied at meps now need TS clearance - SECURITY CLEARANCE Q&A - ClearanceJobs Blog. Top Secret Security Clearance? Expect your medical health conditions to be closely analyzed if you are in a position that requires a lot of trust or advanced physical fitness. I was instructed by my recruiter to falsify and omit certain information namely: minor injuries broken arm (no surgery or pins), treatment for ADD when I was a child (it has since been four years or so since I was perscribed anything and six since I've taken anything. Yep. They will check your finances, military and police records as well as past acquaintances that you may have forgotten about. Powered by Discourse, best viewed with JavaScript enabled. Pretty sure you it will come up when you complete your SF86 either now or in the future. AsparagusBerry. If you lie about your previous drug use (even if there is no criminal record), and your military job/assignment (either now or a future assignment) requires a Top Secret clearance, the military CAN find out about it (see Security Clearance Secrets). Please read this very closely, because it is the most important thing anyone has ever told you about this subject. (MOS rating) On the verge of getting top of the line training and a Top Secret SCI clearance position that would have set him up nicely upon getting out of the Navy Chief (E7) at Meps asks him if there is anything he wants to confess, a last chance to be honest in case he lied about anything during … Along with me admitted to the physc hospital I smoked weed and it affected me very poorly. I have a top secret security clearance. I'm heading back to meps to redo my physical and get the job i want, last time they did not have mine and I havent heard anything from them about … The RCMP does not give lie-detector tests to employees undergoing top-level security screenings despite federal rules that require such examinations, The Canadian Press has learned. I told MEPS and they noted it on my contract, I still got my Secret and then TS with no issues and held a clearance my entire career. I received the go ahead for IT but have been FREAKING out about it. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. What if you lied at meps that you have never been diagnoised with depression made it through and became a marine..and what if later down the road you wanted a different mos that required a top secret security clearance could the us government check your medical records and disqualify you from that specific mos and kick you out of the military? I … Well, I wish he hadn't told me that. If you come clean, you only risk losing your clearance. He qualified for Navy Cryptographic Technician and was guaranteed his Apprenticeship school. I ended up telling the interviewer in the final interview about it (right before I finished a school) and she made me write a statement explaining why I lied. Your branch has nothing to do with it. Lied at MEPs about mental health history and drug history. I omitted information at MEPS. What should I do tell the whole truth and not worry about them kicking me out or switch jobs now and not even try for a ts clearance. That guy below was downvoted so idl if what he said was true. Your recruiter just didn't want to do more paperwork. You might as well be honest if you're trying to get a top secret clearance since they will find out everything that happened in your past anyways and you could be charged for lying. Unless you have a loudmouth friend, you'll probably be just fine like most people are. Could you possibly shed some light? EDIT: Wow thank you for all the responses! That should not be your concern and the fact that you asked twice is really telling. These people would tell them that I was a huge pothead just to screw me over. Months later, the recruit returned to MEPs to process for shipment to basic training. There was some big spy back in the day who gave away all the ciphers for the entire Navy for like a decade.... Come clean now, throw your recruiter under the bus. You guys definitely calmed my nerves. I was nervous about doing this because I'd rather be honest but he said he got a TS security clearance and it was no big deal and that there's no way they can find out. You need to come clean, explain that you were misled, act contrite and show that you are older and more mature so that it won’t happen again. I went to "A" school right beside IT's they have gray Secret badges while CT's have blue Top Secret. I'm going into the Navy for IT hopefully or MA and havent been told that either of them need top secret clearance. When I went up to meps a few weeks ago I lied about my criminal history, saying I never got arrested. If you can be mislead by a recruiter, how can you be trusted with secerts? The second intent they drug tested me and came back positive for cocaine I used it once and it happened to be within a couple days of the suicidal intent happened. I know plenty of people who lied about stuff for their investigations. My job, IT, requires a top secret security clearance. Every military MOS or rate, etc. I DEP'd in back in October of last year, and am set to ship in August. I ship in two days so hopefully I'm not screwed yet. Here is the essential information. The recruiter will say "I never told him/her not to tell the truth." Well, you already did it. This is why I love the reddit community. Now that you have already lied. So can someone clarify this process. This may be a stupid question, but when would the SF86 happen? Shut the fuck up! I lied at meps. Recruiters need to enlist people to keep their job and career. Going to Mexico is not a big deal at all. I'm going into the Navy for IT hopefully or MA and havent been told that either of them need top secret clearance. I wouldn't worry about anything in your pre-screening though. The suicide attempt will probably pop up as a police report or during other records/interviews. The recruiter instructed the recruit to lie at MEPs, and the recruit was enlisted in the Delayed Enlistment Program. 1 decade ago. What now? and what If I cancel my medical insurance and say I dont have a current medical doctor could they still find out? I'm just thinking even if I'm denied for a TS would that be favorable over being kicked out for fraudulent enlistment due to lying at MEPS. I havent been declared mentally incompetent but since the first intent on suicide was under 18 they forced me to go to a psychiatric hospital for 11 days. I don’t think that it’s hopeless though. And to top it off, the applicant has not indicated any desire to marry her, which would help her gain U.S. citizenship, which might have helped mitigate the issue. But not my 5 mph ticket as it was only 100$ or 80$ idk but they took it off my record and points due to it being my first offense and completing a course. Lied at MEPs about mental health history and drug history. the first is having scoliosis. A lot less than if you lied at MEPS, lied to OPM, and then get caught :) OK, seriously, I assume the question is about an SF-86 to get a security clearance. In the mMEPS they'll ask if you've had them...if they weren't a big deal I'd just be honest...for a top secret clearance they're gonna most likely find out anyways...my recruiter had me lie about a ticket I'd gotten right before going up, but I wasn't shooting for tsc 01-01-2013, 12:56 PM #45. zerab. You also committed enlist fraud. For anything Navy related, not limited to US Navy. I'm about to join the Army, i got a 92 on the ASVAB and have been looking at doing an intel job that requires a tss...I smoked weed twice four years ago but i told MEPS that i have never done drugs. Let’s say even if I come clean I am still in the military wont they report that to the marine Corps and kick me out? in reality, they don't dig THAT much into past relationships. Now I'm freaking out. Took a couple months for them to sort stuff out but in the end I was fine. Everyone I asked told me not to say anything about it so I didn't. stop worrying so much. Top Secret Security Clearance? I am going into the marines and have a contract to go to security school where you need a TS if you complete it. Honesty is the BEST policy. I … but DO NOT LIE ON YOUR SF86!!!!! I'm not sure what system, if any, they use to decide what locations and people they want to get more information about. I would just tell the people at MEPS. If you agree, then you are a piece of shit. help!? Ask the recruited about a charge I had for underage consumption. Should I keep my mouth shut at MEPS? i had to go to court and the judge dismissed the case. If the recruiter tells you to lie; then don't join. I was just wondering if you were to bend the truth at meps to keep something on your medical record concealed to prevent an automatic DQ. My recruiter told me to lie, say nothing is wrong at all, and that nothing has ever happened to me in the past medically speaking, however, when i went to meps in december 2007, i found that i didn't really have to lie about anything and i didn't. MEPS – Military Entrance Processing Station; The Delayed Entrance Program (DEP) ... honest people and will not tell you to lie about your background, but there are always stories of those that encourage recruits to leave out negative medical history or drug use. Show that you are trustworthy. When you get to basic, you will do a shitload of paperwork. just chill. I lied about 2 suicide attempts and prescribed anti depressants. I have pre existing conditions that are PDQ but I want to join the Navy and get a top secret clearance I dont have a problem with these conditions anymore,so should I keep my mouth shut? I admit that I lied at MEPS, and want to know if 1)If going for a TS Clearance, they will check my medical records, and 2) If I talk to my recruiter and try and get a waiver for foot pain I had when I was 14 (I'm 17 now), can I get one? Since yours is a secret clearance, I can't imagine too much will be made of this. Nearly every recruiter will try to convince you to lie because they don't give a shit about you and they suffer zero repercussions when you get caught. If I tell the truth on sf86 would they tell my service branch? Thank you, sorry if this is rambling I'm just really panicking. Recruiter told me to lie . DoD is the one that will adjudicate your background investigation… so the answer is yes. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. Pending I earn the title, I am going out for intelligence, however I am now questioning whether or not I will be able to get the clearance for the job. Priority Tier 5 investigation = $5,696 . I have friends who are IT's that are going to have a TS clearance and ITS' requires a TS clearance. Some people seem to think that if they pick a job that only requires a secret security clearance, no one will ever find out about their lie because the background check won’t be as thorough. You'll be fine. You have to get one! The arrest itself wasn't over anything serious but it is the fact that I actually got fingerprinted and arrested that worries me. Rule #3: Don't be in a position to use Rule #2. They will overlook many things, but if they find out you lie to them, and they dig very deep for a TS, they will deny you very quickly. Oh and when you're at MEPS they're going to ask you about 10x or so if … And also a expunged ticket and felony charges. Or will they just worry about denying or approving my clearance and not worry about ruining my military career. requires a security clearance. ... you're allowed to keep your secret clearance, then you have a good chance of getting a top secret. I havent shipped yet but I am just thinking the long run. Come clean! It’s better when you can explain it now, while you are young, and its a candor situation that you realize must be dealt with, then to lie about it, continue the situation, and it come out years later where you don’t have youth on your side and additional situations where you could have fessed up to it and it hurts you further. It’s the DoD that holds your clearance, not your branch and it’s the DoD that will be adjudicating your new clearance. So, if you lie, you won't get your clearance, and will get a DD. Expect your medical health conditions to be closely analyzed if you are in a position that requires a lot of trust or advanced physical fitness. When he told me not to tell MEPS, I told him I wasn't going to lie. You did the right thing and many people who did get in, do lie at MEPS. Braces, hospital vists for the broken arm. I dont take any medications and havent since about a year ago. Doesnt really matter since its all based on Need to Know. 0 5. The investigators and adjudicators know that many recruiters will tell kids to lie filling out their forms. In simpler times, only national security investigations had the option of two different price schedules, either standard or priority processing. A MEPS doctor will review your application and medical history and recommend you for entrance to the military, or disqualify you based on your medical history. Okay, i lied at MEPS about my medical history, over 10 years ago I had A.D.D. On the flip side, fraudulent enlistment is not normally pressed if a recruit volunteers the information early. Like many other situations, it’s the cover up that will get you into trouble. It happened 12 years ago. Dude doesn’t need to be anywhere near a clearance. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. I lied about the fact that I had ear infections (idk why I did this I just figured they wouldn't find out). Obviously I will tell them about my felony charge. Every one gets a clearance if they are accepted in the service. It is up to you to be truthful. So don't sweat the security clearance crap. A Top Secret Clearance with the ... be denied if you conceal information. ... Then, never mind the secret clearance -- you're lucky if they don't give you a dishonorable discharge right after you get in --- IF you even get that far. This is where you provide your personal medical history to MEPS, the Military Entrance Processing Station. Cookies help us deliver our Services. I'm going into the Navy for IT hopefully or MA and havent been told that either of them need top secret clearance. You would be a PRIME candidate to blackmail for secrets, because you would have a LOT to lose if the Marines found out from an "anonymous source" that you lied to enlist. I would just tell the people at MEPS. Snowden really changed that process. But eventually, you should come clean. It will still go to my service branch and will most likely get me a fraudulent enlistment due to lying at meps? i know alot of people lie at meps about past medical stuff and get away with it but my situation is different. I wanted to better myself and also get away/get distracted from my failed partnership. The job/clearance isn't worth all that. There is a point very early in basic training where the point of no return is passed. If you lie during a Federal investigation and get caught, Title 18 US Code Section 1001 provides that knowingly falsifying or concealing a material fact is a felony which will result in fines or imprisonment. I plan on disclosing this information, and then returning back to this blog to let everyone know the outcome. As a former military recruiter, I can tell you that your recruiter wants you to lie, because admitting to depression might disqualify you. Will you shoot straight with me if I’m totally screwed? This was all before I was 18 years old. If anyone in your life knows about it, the investigator is likely to find out. Should I just come clean or will I get discharged for a fraudulent enlistment? Press J to jump to the feed. Could you give us an update on what happened? I know you have probably made up your mind, I am just sharing my experience just in case you decide to go a different route. IT, they're only gonna give you Secret clearance. 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